PPP Justifyable ???

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feeds@kickapps.com (jerrys garage) — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:03:11 PST

I think I would have bought some chickens, then you could use the cargo. Plus then have cheap chicken.

Jerry

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feeds@kickapps.com (Jim Lunsford) — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:53:22 PST

I agree.....he be the man

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feeds@kickapps.com (general tow) — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:54:15 PST

Now they know what it is like working for "chicken feed". Richard did a good job explaining, thats what I like about coming here. No BS just good straight info when you ask.
Steve

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feeds@kickapps.com (Jim Lunsford) — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:25:04 PST

sure glad he took the resposibility for this because when I saw how muddy the ditch was and what it was I could see my 4x4 frontend loader going to china after about one trip over the ground .. they were down there working on it today with shovels and large bags

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feeds@kickapps.com (ibflat2) — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:00:40 PST

The owner of the truck is usually responsible for the clean up of all spills, be it cargo or fuel etc. Now that being said the costs are much better to their bottom line if they do the clean up other than in a haz mat issue. That has a ton of extra paperwork and responsibility involved in it.

I would prefer that the customer does most of the clean up on spilled grains, construction supplies and logs. We really do not have the equipment to clean up the product and dispose of it properly (ok we can cut up the logs and burn them in the fire place) but you know what I mean.

Depending on state laws you most likely can let the trucking company clean up the debris, but remember when you are doing that and billing via PPP you have to take into account them doing the clean up as you can not charge for all the work and weight that way. (just like you have in your case Jim)

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feeds@kickapps.com (Jim Lunsford) — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:15:26 PST

LOL your right ...missed the empty weight thingy so it does come out pretty close.
Just goes to show that each and every one has its own circumstances that make it different from some other one
I was playing it against my very first heavy recovery..a rolled over log truck and the bill was about the same and it just didn't seem right ..however it was 25 miles away.. wait time envolved and a little log moveing

kind of intresting about the cleanup on this one...owner says he will take care of it but so far hasn't (trooper ok'ed it ) yet the pile is half gone already...people are stopping and getting buckets,bags whatever full of that durn stuff and takeing it away
so question...do the owners have the option to do their own cleanup and save money on a recovery if they choose to do so ?? or do we as the recovery company have the option to do it at our descretion even if they...

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feeds@kickapps.com (ibflat2) — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:50:39 PST

Jim, you did not do it wrong, but you missed the key part here.

The owner handled the cargo clean up (the grain or corn) and as you said it unloaded most of it.

Way I have done in the past on these is that I bill for the empty weight of the truck and trailer, as the cargo is not salvageable.
If he did the clean up then he saved a bit of money. You know that if the load was gravel or sand it could spread out a bit and not be a problem, like a load of scrap metal or a van trailer full of clothes.

I would use 35,000 pounds on the weight, maybe 30,000 if it was a day cab, and bill it at the PPP rate you use.
Yes jobs like this tend to be fast and that is where PPP is very profitable, unlike the labor intensive reloads into other trailers.

35K times the .085 cpp = 2975.00 so you were not far off on using hourly (notice how close it is in price) and you can go either way then. Maybe start out with the PPP bill and if there is a problem...

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feeds@kickapps.com (Jim Lunsford) — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:30:14 PST

the owner is from malvern but was at Sheridan when his truck wrecked so he was on scene just a few min after we were ...Dont know the dude but seems nice enough...says he will be doing the paying..the trailer was borrowed and truck was his (you know how these bean and corn, feed haulers do ) side of trailer buckled pretty good and he wanted to go ahead and take it to pineBluff trailer to have fixed so I let him take it....truck got beat up pretty good but fixable ..00 pete 379 and was in pretty desent shape before from looking at it...the problem yesterday was he wanted to know how much this was going to cost him LOL and after he said he would be doing the paying I wrote up the bill... only 1.5 hrs on scene but after gettin it back to the shop I spent another hr disconnecting the trailer ,moveing it around so he could get it and got everything back in order so on the bill I was able to justify 2.5 for the heavy..put down 2 for the 550 and 4 helpers at 60 per hr each...pushed...

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feeds@kickapps.com (general tow) — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:43:07 PST

The owner a friend or regular customer? Insurance billing or owner pay? You know how to play in that box, right Jim. Could figure PPP and give a discount if owner pay quickly. Maybe Richard has an answer. Still waiting on the book from him, also.
Steve

PPP Justifyable ???

feeds@kickapps.com (Jim Lunsford) — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:16:49 PST

Had a Pete pullin a hopper bottom loaded with chicken feed. Ran off the road and layed over down a bad muddy ditch within site of my shop yesterday morning
Trailer was open top so it dumped approx half of the feed out...put 4 people with scoops in that sucker and in less than 20 min it was unloaded
uprighted and brought it to the yard in less than 1.5 hours......so how would one justify useing PPP on this recovery LOL owner lived close by so he was on scene ...he's taken care of the feed in the ditch so very little cleanup (a little mud on the road)
used my 30 ton and f-550 wrecker

when it came time to right the bill I said crap....we did this intirely too fast..what by all rights should have been a fairly expensive job wasn't and figureing PPP was intirely too much ... any advise for the next time other than slow down ??